The British Conservative Party spokesman on foreign affairs, John Davies has been visiting Zambia for talks on Rhodesia with President Kennet Kaunda and Black Nationalist leader, Joshua Nkomo.
SV INTERIOR: Mr. John Davies seated next to President Kenneth Kaunda of Zambia during talks (3 shots)
SV Joshua Nkomo talking to BBC reporter John Humphries followed by Mr. Davies.
NKOMO: "(Indistinct) Mr. Davies says, he says, ah well we are going to see whether the people of Zimbabwe accept that thing. How do you judge that acceptance in a war situation? How is Mr. Davies and his party going to stop that war?"
HUMPHRIES: "And you would keep that war going?"
NKOMO: "Of course the war will go on until we get what we are fighting for. We are not fighting because we love war. We are fighting because the whole set of things which were set afoot by the British occupation of our country is such that our people who have been subjugated for almost a century now and what Mr. Davies is saying is, in fact, pointing to pursue that course."
HUMPHRIES: "Perhaps Mr. Davies ought to intervene at that point briefly."
DAVIES: "Fortunately as we have had many talks in the past, we can always conduct our conversations together without undue difficulty. The thing that I think Joshua Nkomo doesn't mention, which I have consistently said and continue to say, is that although we believe that the internal settlement should be given support in order to enable it to show whether it has the support of the people of the country, we think it is desirable, indeed almost essential, that all parties be within it. And we have therefore continued to say, and I have personally continued to say, that it seemed to me absolutely essential to persuade Joshua Nkomo to participate in whatever arrangement is going to govern the future of that country. Now I have been seeking very hard this morning to make him of my mind, which is to say that the most desirable thing for the future of the country now, is that he, in whatever form, should face these people and says what he wants of them, to seek those amendments which he seeks of them in terms of their arrangements, and to enter into that deal. Because I quite agree with him, to hold elections in a state of war is going to be immensely difficult. But it's his interest and he has continually said so, as I have, that the one way forward in the end, in that country is to have a free and fair election. I am only saying to him that I believe he has it in his power to ensure that, and on his own terms to a large degree. But for goodness sake get into the discussion and do it, and the only way he can do it is by facing these people, it's what all party conferences wanted, it's what, it's him facing up to the people concerned."
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Background: The British Conservative Party spokesman on foreign affairs, John Davies has been visiting Zambia for talks on Rhodesia with President Kennet Kaunda and Black Nationalist leader, Joshua Nkomo. Mr. Nkomo is co-leader with Robert Mugabe, of the Patriotic Front guerrillas, fighting against an internal settlement in Rhodesia. He is opposed to the present multi-racial executive, set up after agreement between the Rhodesian Prime Minister Ian Smith and two of the black nationalists working within Rhodesia, Bishop Abel Muzorewa and the Reverend Ndabaningi Sithole.
SYNOPSIS: Mr. Davies met Zambian President Dr. Kaunda and Mr. Nkomo in State House in Lusaka, the Zambian capital on Tuesday (4 July). After the meeting, Mr. Davies and Mr. Nkomo commented on their different attitudes to the Rhodesian situation to BBC reporter, John Humphries.